Doug DeMuro reviews the Silverado ZR2
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Premature conclusion I would say. I think people will be very surprised by what it actually does offroad with "less equipment". Raptor and TRX are characatures that many enthusiasts snicker at. ZR2 isn't trying to be that. Simply an extremely capable truck, with great comfort, great technology, and the ability to take narrow trails without issue. The locking front Diff is also game changer.
We know TFL Truck thought The Trailboss boss held its own and they really like it. The ZR2 is that and more.
We know TFL Truck thought The Trailboss boss held its own and they really like it. The ZR2 is that and more.
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Yea, I think this is much more comparable to the Tundra TRD Pro. But it is definitely a rock crawler instead of a desert runner like the Raptor and TRX.
I think the complete disregard for the difference in the particular markets they are trying to capture is foolish. ZR2 is an off-road trail pickup, hence why it's body is not widened. Raptor does off-road but I consider it a Baja pickup. Apples and oranges here. Btw, the ZR2 isn't that "available" in case you hadn't noticed. If you're underwhelmed with the ZR2, by all means don't spend 70k on it. That makes NO sense.
Exactly!
I find Doug difficult to watch, just a little too expressive for my taste. TFL will have a better, more relevant review. Alex on Autos did a thorough review, and spoke better to the design intent of this pickup.
My Opinon: The ZR2 will go places the TRX and Ford cannot (without incurring a fresh suite of pinstripes) on overland trails throughout the country. The ZR2 will cost ~$5k less per year than the TRX. The base model Ford is equipped with an impressive output V6, but it's still V6 with mediocre exhaust notes - even if digitally enhanced. The interior of the TRX is plush, but the huge bezel vertical infotainment screen looks dated already. The ZR2 will competently fulfill pickup duty, overland duty, and moderate speed desert running. The long term maintenance costs of the suspension components and powertrain of the ZR2 will likely be lower than the electronically controlled components in the TRX or Ford, due in large part to redundancy of components shared across the full-size lineup as well as the durability of the mechanical MM DSSV dampers.
The Ford was designed to establish a new class of mid-sized pickups, as that company so often has done and thank God they did. The TRX was designed to inspire boners, indulge in excess, make money, and beat said Ford on all the numbers. The ZR2 was purpose built to take on the mountain trails most overland/off-road YouTubers and enthusiasts will want to travel, and seamlessly transition to the role of a daily driver, while maintaining traditional pickup utility.
My Opinon: The ZR2 will go places the TRX and Ford cannot (without incurring a fresh suite of pinstripes) on overland trails throughout the country. The ZR2 will cost ~$5k less per year than the TRX. The base model Ford is equipped with an impressive output V6, but it's still V6 with mediocre exhaust notes - even if digitally enhanced. The interior of the TRX is plush, but the huge bezel vertical infotainment screen looks dated already. The ZR2 will competently fulfill pickup duty, overland duty, and moderate speed desert running. The long term maintenance costs of the suspension components and powertrain of the ZR2 will likely be lower than the electronically controlled components in the TRX or Ford, due in large part to redundancy of components shared across the full-size lineup as well as the durability of the mechanical MM DSSV dampers.
The Ford was designed to establish a new class of mid-sized pickups, as that company so often has done and thank God they did. The TRX was designed to inspire boners, indulge in excess, make money, and beat said Ford on all the numbers. The ZR2 was purpose built to take on the mountain trails most overland/off-road YouTubers and enthusiasts will want to travel, and seamlessly transition to the role of a daily driver, while maintaining traditional pickup utility.
this
Lol then why are you even on this forum
You'd be very surprised.
wisey113
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I have an order that was placed October 2021. Scheduled to be built Feb 2022. It has been delayed 3 times and is scheduled for May, but I’d shocked if it isn’t delayed again. It’s the sole reason I have a deposit on a ZR2. I just can’t keep waiting
I do. I live in hurricane. the zr2 isn't a full on rock crawler just like your jeep isn't and a raptor isn't a trophy truck. For the off roading that 99% of new vehicle shoppers do it's just fine
Lol tell us about all the extensive rock crawling you have experienced in texas? No need to lecture all of us about rock crawling when your only interested in it's "on road" manners
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Well, I rock crawl A LOT in the spring and summer months. On this particular trip there were multiple pickups. Now, perhaps they aren’t going up big rock formations like say on Wheeler Lake near Breckenridge or Holy Cross but they can easily do Argentine Pass and other mid to low difficulty situation. I remember once watching an unmodded powerwagon on Middle St Vrain Pass. It’s not an easy one but the driver stomped right through it. The fact that he got through the Gatekeep obsticle was impressive enough but he also trudged through multiple water crossings and the very challenging Rock Garden obstacle.
Of course there are obvious limitations. The breakover angle being the biggest issue in crawling. I very much plan to get some frame mounted rock sliders. I damaged the side steps on my Raptor, twice, going over a few challenges. The width of a full size was an issue several times. I couldn’t go through McClellon Mt Trail because there is a sharp turn in a narrow spot of the trail that was pretty much impassible for me. The Jeep, of course, just walked through it.
Of course there are obvious limitations. The breakover angle being the biggest issue in crawling. I very much plan to get some frame mounted rock sliders. I damaged the side steps on my Raptor, twice, going over a few challenges. The width of a full size was an issue several times. I couldn’t go through McClellon Mt Trail because there is a sharp turn in a narrow spot of the trail that was pretty much impassible for me. The Jeep, of course, just walked through it.
Keewatin427
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Real talk; I straight up hate Doug DeMuro’s stupid fat face, with his tongue that’s way to big for his mouth. I hate his stupid voice, I hate his condescending tone, I hate his overconfident science teacher vibe, I straight up hate him. I have zero idea how this oafish clown became some arbiter of vehicle taste.
I normally enjoy most of his content but every vehicle is bench marked against the most expensive or most luxurious on the market. Every video always ends with this is shit spend 10’s of thousands or in some cases 100’s more on a different car because it’s better.
This one for sure is a perfect example of that. Utter disregard for standard equipment and comparing bare bones rivals to a almost loaded truck and saying it’s a poor value and a disappointment.
The pricing is absolutely incorrect and it’s pathetic he was so blatantly untruthful. A Raptor equipped to compete with the ZR2 is 7k more. A TRX is 20. Before markup. It’s an absolutely ignorant review and the bias against General Motors products in general is obvious.
This one for sure is a perfect example of that. Utter disregard for standard equipment and comparing bare bones rivals to a almost loaded truck and saying it’s a poor value and a disappointment.
The pricing is absolutely incorrect and it’s pathetic he was so blatantly untruthful. A Raptor equipped to compete with the ZR2 is 7k more. A TRX is 20. Before markup. It’s an absolutely ignorant review and the bias against General Motors products in general is obvious.
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While I wouldn’t say DeMuro is biased against GM I do agree he was off base with this review. You’re absolutely right about the feature content. The Raptor’s 801A pkg is $4755. The sunroof must be packaged with the power tailgate, which goes for $2195. Of course that is a panoramic sunroof, something I wish Chevy/GMC would offer. There are several features Ford has over GM, like the folding workstation table in the armrest (I love it) but of course GM has things as well like the Multi-function tailgate (I love that too)..
At the end of the day, they really are built for two different purposes. As I’ve said before, the Raptor/TRX are desert runners. The ZR2 is a crawler/off roader, more akin to the Tundra TRD Pro. IMO, Chevy has that truck beat.
I have mixed feelings about panoramics. I’ve replaced many of them in Fords. As the rear panel drops out the bottom and is laminated. Not ideal for the perfect rock drop or acorn.
If you live in a “hot” climate the rubber “seal” quickly degrades in several years and overwhelms the drain system. I’ve ran many a bead Pro flex RV sealer around the perimeter as most people can’t shell out the 1200 for the entire panel plus the labor to gut your truck to floor to drop the headliner.
That being said. They look nice.
They also seem to always end up creeking and rattling. Especially if you off road
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