Why doesn’t GM do this?

[Battlebornzr2]

I see tons of Raptors and TRX's parked near my 2500HD at the grocery store and Cotco all the time.

Out here in the sierras its almost like raptors got given away. They're everywhere.
And seeing tons of rhos now.

 

[ZR2xBIZON]

The current ZR2 was always the final form of the T1. "If" GM makes the Meteor it will be in the next Gen Silvy, not the current turd.

It's not just a simple 4 fender slap, 15 extra HP's and suspension.

They shot a magic bullet through their ass and hit their foot on this platform.

Look at how much moding needs to be done to fit larger wheels in the beta fender wells and so far we are F'd on regearing a welded diff.
They definitely need revised spindles to fit lager ball joints and tierod ends.
The list goes on and on.

 

[MrScottly]

You’re telling me GM couldn’t make enough profit offering a truck that starts around the $100k mark?

Ford and Ram proved the demand is there, idk about your area but in South Florida I see them all over the place.

There was a brandy new one sitting on the lot at Kendall Dodge Ram just two weeks ago. An unsold 2024.
That's in Miami, btw.

 

[8ball_99]

Same here, guys run 2500HDs and 3500/4500 duallys to haul their expensive stuff around. Seen a $250k 1500 HP sand rail at the dunes the with a custom Pfaff dual supercharged motor that does 100 mph wheelies on the drags. Plenty of rock crawlers, trophy trucks, and 2x priced UTVs to scratch that itch if you got the cash.

I see plenty of Raptors and TRX running around, but never seen anything on the trails. But there are Jeeps with +$30k worth of gear on every trail around, cause they are better at it.

Same around here. None of these trucks are actually on the trails. Logging roads and power line trails maybe. Mostly just to pull toys to the trails. 100k gets you a new turn key supercharged rock bouncer on 43s solid axles with 24"s of wheel travel, lol. It makes no sense to really wheel something like a raptor R or TRX. Just a normal SxS will handle way more trails. My KRX was 22k i think. Way more capable offroad then any of these "offroad" trucks. Again put it on its side you just flip it back on it's wheels and keep riding

But these trucks look good and eat up crappy back roads and bumpy fields. If anything the Trailboss trim shows that a ton of people just want the look.

 

[AXE]

Yep, motorcycles and ATV/UTVs have always been my fun fix. I'd rather have a average truck and some toys vs expensive underutilized vehicles.

It doesn't bother me that others see it differently. So if you want a Raptor or TRX, I think they are great trucks and if it fit my lifestyle I wouldn't hesitate to run one.

 

[Chopy4]

Gm did trademark the names "meteor" and "zrx". Guessing sometime after tge launch of the 27 we might see meteor wipe out the dinosaurs.

This sliver of hope is refreshing to hear, if they went through the trouble to get a name reserved maybe they have something being developed.

For the love of God please don’t let it be another EV.

 

[AXE]

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Also, their whole catalog is awesome!

 

[RET-D]

All I was say it I lived in Moab for almost seven years, did every trail except coyote canyon and all of pritchett running an H3 and an old beat up Heep, and the ONLY time I saw a Raptor was when Ford did some testing before they came out. And they only did Hell's revenge, and did not do Hell's gate; just the standard trail.

And the Kia Telluride did the gate with only tire changes from stock.

I see some raptors around here where I currently live, and some do not appear to even have a lift. Parked next to a red one in Fry's yesterday and it was about two inches less in lift than my ZR2. But I have no interest in a Ford especially since GM nicely knocked close to nine grand off my ZR2 purchase a few weeks ago.

 

[AXE]

The Raptor is a desert pre-runner race style truck, not a trail or climbing truck. Same with TRX. They are just hitting a niche market for guys that like that style and performance.

Neither ZR2 is a competitor to the Raptor or TRX. The 1500 is a decent all road/ offroad rig. The 2500HD is a poser rig with some ability to offroad and tow.

 

[RET-D]

Then I wonder why Ford had the Raptors do Hells? it sure is not a desert run.

We will see about that ability to climb the trails of Moab. Not into desert racing; was into rock climbing and with the locker and decent lift, rock climbing is not that hard to do. Only drawback with PU trucks is angle of entrance and departure is not so great compared to Hummers or Jeeps.

Forgot to add, a friend of mine in Moab, after his Humvee burned and his H3 was wrecked, purchased an early model Colorado ZR2 and did almost ever trail the H3 could do before moving out of state. He was extremely impressed with the model.
I was impressed with the H3, did every trail a jeep wrangler could; except for those too skinny such as the toaster obstacle on Poison spider; too narrow for an H3, Hey Joe too narrow due to it being overgrown with tamarisk which is noted to scrap paint off vehicles. Took the old wrangler since paint was not a big deal, but the H3....not.

I will also correct; I actually lived in Grand County, the county that surrounded Moab; and technically, Moab was approx. 2.5 miles from my house.

Best six years of my life...I would say 6.5; however, fell off a cliff and broke some bones while guiding an H2 up a rock formation on Lock Hart Canyon

Pritchett Arch off Pritchett Canyon Trail

The old Heep

 

[Busa Dave]

Out here in the sierras its almost like raptors got given away. They're everywhere.
And seeing tons of rhos now.

Not the Raptor R but yes, the Raptor is just an option package as the vehicle is not even a SVT any longer. Had a TRX and it was a nightmare.

 

[scubatech]

So Busa Dave what was it that you did not like with your TRX?

I looked at them but they were near $100K even used. The best fuel mileage I've ever seen was 14MPG. I don't care a lot about mileage but It would be the only truck I own. So I get 16 - 20 MPG now which I think is pretty good. I love the sound and power of the TRX, but 400 HP is OK for me.

 

[scubatech]

All I was say it I lived in Moab for almost seven years, did every trail except coyote canyon and all of pritchett running an H3 and an old beat up Heep, and the ONLY time I saw a Raptor was when Ford did some testing before they came out. And they only did Hell's revenge, and did not do Hell's gate; just the standard trail.

And the Kia Telluride did the gate with only tire changes from stock.

I see some raptors around here where I currently live, and some do not appear to even have a lift. Parked next to a red one in Fry's yesterday and it was about two inches less in lift than my ZR2. But I have no interest in a Ford especially since GM nicely knocked close to nine grand off my ZR2 purchase a few weeks ago.

I've been to Moab probably 100 times! Jeeping, mountain biking, riding Moto- bikes, hiking, etc. I like the area, but I'm retired. I started going there in 1983, when you could climb White knuckle & Pritchett on 33" tires, as long as you had good gearing. I used to live in Fruita, but only for a couple years. We used to go over there at least once or twice a year. We still go over once a year, but man, people just name their price for lodging, LOL. The place is so well known these days.

Easter Safari was fun in the 80's. I wouldn't do it now though.

 

[RET-D]

I've been to Moab probably 100 times! Jeeping, mountain biking, riding Moto- bikes, hiking, etc. I like the area, but I'm retired. I started going there in 1983, when you could climb White knuckle & Pritchett on 33" tires, as long as you had good gearing. I used to live in Fruita, but only for a couple years. We used to go over there at least once or twice a year. We still go over once a year, but man, people just name their price for lodging, LOL. The place is so well known these days.

Easter Safari was fun in the 80's. I wouldn't do it now though.

I moved there in 2008, there days after I retired. When I did most of Pritchett I used the imbeded anchors and the winch a hell of a lot.
You are right on lodging, even during off months. Before moving to AZ, I drove down through Moab to visit some people and what I had to pay, in January was ludicrous. Now when I go back, I pull a trailer and avoid Jeep safari week. Sometimes spending a few days in Sand Island (south of Bluff)....

 

[RET-D]

Not the Raptor R but yes, the Raptor is just an option package as the vehicle is not even a SVT any longer. Had a TRX and it was a nightmare.

So that explains the Fords I've seen with Raptor tailgates that have no lift and look like any other non-lifted Ford PU on the roads.

 

[scubatech]

I moved there in 2008, there days after I retired. When I did most of Pritchett I used the imbeded anchors and the winch a hell of a lot.
You are right on lodging, even during off months. Before moving to AZ, I drove down through Moab to visit some people and what I had to pay, in January was ludicrous. Now when I go back, I pull a trailer and avoid Jeep safari week. Sometimes spending a few days in Sand Island (south of Bluff)....View attachment 26344

Good pictures. I was in a very competitive Scout club back then and we all had big motors & Detroit Lockers front & rear. We used to camp in the willows up the canyon a mile or two. Now it's all pay camping. I guess the BLM had to do something due to human feces and T-paper in the trees. Anyway it's not the same. Now we get townhome rentals on the south side of the fairgrounds. It's like $1500.00 for a week! These days I mostly go to the vendor show and leave. A couple of my friends went to Sand Hollow last fall and it too was very expensive. Lot's of SXS and quads. The last time I rode Steel Bender on my WR 450, it was tough, especially the waterfalls toward the end. We ran it backwards as well.

 

[RET-D]

That land you camped in was state owned land, part of the school system owed land that dots the BLM lands. State (school system) wanted to get rid of it due to thousands of cat holes, and yes, sometime TP in the trees. When I first moved to Moab and traveled down the road, you could smell shit from the area. The land was a state school system swap with BLM. School system has no way to manage campgrounds, BLM does. So both gain. BLM needed more campgrounds in the area due to large influxes of camping tourists, and the school system needed some land to either sell or lease.

When BLM took over they installed about three campgrounds in the area. Nice thing about BLM requirements, is that all monies collected from campgrounds has to go back into the recreation funds to maintain them. So, at least the money does not end up in some politicians back pocket.

A little history, if you are not familiar with. The campgrounds along Hwy 128 were built at request of the state. Before campgrounds people would disperse camp and the river was getting polluted. So they requested (not so politely from what I was told) BLM set up campgrounds and make a rule no camping allowed in area outside of a campground.

If you ever look at a BLM issued land map, the BLM land is shown in yellow; and there are blue areas in the yellow areas and those blue areas denote state school owned land. It was set up that way when the land was dispersed many moons ago by the gov't. So the school system prefer land near a major highway or other easy access so they can lease and make money for the schools. Therefore, a lot of state/BLM land swaps happen.

Not sure, but believe the access to Lion's back was via school land, and the small store where you had to pay a few bucks to access the road was leased from the state school board. Then along came a developer who want the land for a condo, state took back the land and sold or leased it to the condo developer and all access to Lion's back was killed.

Knew a lot of the BLM employees when living in the Moab area. In fact, the head LE Ranger for the Canyon Country District (comprised of the Moab and Monticello Field offices) was a good friend and used to be with another federal agency (where we initially met) before he jumped to BLM so it was a coincidence he was in the Moab office when I moved there.

Another good friend and her hubby own a hell of a lot of land, on 128 (river side) near Red Cliffs and or Sorrel River lodge. That's where Kevin Costner filmed his Horizon series and that is where I actually got to meet him, long enough to shake his hand

And a few others met off-roadiing...

It was a great city and a great time living there, but it got too expensive and too damn far to get medical care from specialists such as nurologists, ortho (other than broken bones) and the two-week trip to Grand Junction was getting too damn boring; even taking the Gateway route. But Walker drugs was the first drug store that I ever went into that sold Ammo next to prescriptions.

 

[scubatech]

That land you camped in was state owned land, part of the school system owed land that dots the BLM lands. State (school system) wanted to get rid of it due to thousands of cat holes, and yes, sometime TP in the trees. When I first moved to Moab and traveled down the road, you could smell shit from the area. The land was a state school system swap with BLM. School system has no way to manage campgrounds, BLM does. So both gain. BLM needed more campgrounds in the area due to large influxes of camping tourists, and the school system needed some land to either sell or lease.

When BLM took over they installed about three campgrounds in the area. Nice thing about BLM requirements, is that all monies collected from campgrounds has to go back into the recreation funds to maintain them. So, at least the money does not end up in some politicians back pocket.

A little history, if you are not familiar with. The campgrounds along Hwy 128 were built at request of the state. Before campgrounds people would disperse camp and the river was getting polluted. So they requested (not so politely from what I was told) BLM set up campgrounds and make a rule no camping allowed in area outside of a campground.

If you ever look at a BLM issued land map, the BLM land is shown in yellow; and there are blue areas in the yellow areas and those blue areas denote state school owned land. It was set up that way when the land was dispersed many moons ago by the gov't. So the school system prefer land near a major highway or other easy access so they can lease and make money for the schools. Therefore, a lot of state/BLM land swaps happen.

Not sure, but believe the access to Lion's back was via school land, and the small store where you had to pay a few bucks to access the road was leased from the state school board. Then along came a developer who want the land for a condo, state took back the land and sold or leased it to the condo developer and all access to Lion's back was killed.

Knew a lot of the BLM employees when living in the Moab area. In fact, the head LE Ranger for the Canyon Country District (comprised of the Moab and Monticello Field offices) was a good friend and used to be with another federal agency (where we initially met) before he jumped to BLM so it was a coincidence he was in the Moab office when I moved there.

Another good friend and her hubby own a hell of a lot of land, on 128 (river side) near Red Cliffs and or Sorrel River lodge. That's where Kevin Costner filmed his Horizon series and that is where I actually got to meet him, long enough to shake his hand

And a few others met off-roadiing...

It was a great city and a great time living there, but it got too expensive and too damn far to get medical care from specialists such as nurologists, ortho (other than broken bones) and the two-week trip to Grand Junction was getting too damn boring; even taking the Gateway route. But Walker drugs was the first drug store that I ever went into that sold Ammo next to prescriptions.

Thanks for the information and education. I didn't know about school land. The Winery was never there years ago either. There was a beautiful looking horse ranch further up the canyon to. I remember going back into Castle Valley and the old suspension bridge we had to cross way back then, LOL.

I know what you mean about the trip to GJ. It's pretty desolate across eastern Utah to Mack which is the first town. They still have Country Fest there.

My wife could never find a decent paying job in the Grand Valley. She needed back surgery and insurance . So here I am on the Front Range again. I didn't want to comeback to the eastern slope, expensive & traffic, people. I guess we never think of health care when we are young! But I sure do now, LOL.

People in GJ called us Front Rangers and took care of their own residents, job wise, I get it. We had friends there in GJ, and they love it. My wife hated it.

Fortunately I'm in NOCO now and when I go to Denver area it's a sea of cars, if you can get down I-25, LOL. Oh well ! I like it up here. You can never get far enough from Denver metro.

 

[RET-D]

Dewey bridge...burned a year or two before I moved to Moab.

I understand healthcare and traffic.
Moved to Prescott Valley last year, and quickly found out trying to get a primary physician was next to impossible. Have had to settle for a nurse practitioner and happy to say she is good. However, all I have really needed her for is referral to specialists and then the waiting time is in months not weeks.
Had back surgery in Phoenix last year, and three months later had to have emergency back surgery due to an infection I got from the Phoenix surgery, but lucky for me a young Neurosurgeon, who had just moved to PV took the case since I was in the ER and I lucked out.

And traffic in Phoenix is terrible. Looking at the AM news, it appears they have a roll over almost 2-3 times a week during rush hour, and most are due to wrong way drivers.
If I had to live and work in Phoenix, I would purchase an old Humvee, and add 2" steel plating; sides, rear and back, do some diesel work to boost HP and torque and smile when someone wants to cut me off, or does not stop in time....

 

[scubatech]

I used to plow snow with a grader and a wing. It was amazing how close people would in the opposite direction to my front wheels. I was scared if I hooked some ice I would have a head on collision! It just throw me against the steering wheel and hurt, but likely kill someone in a car! A tandem truck was similar. I got hit my last year from a passer on the right. The plow tore the whole side "A', pillar and windshield out of the car. He had glass in his face. I just called for help.

I agree it is hard to see a doctor these days unless it is surgery. I think there are too few and doctors are running ragged from patient to patient!