Back to 0W20 for New Motor Suckas

[AXE]

Well, as I've stated, this recall is a moving target. Not sure this latest recall update is common knowledge. However, in this video all the specifics are discussed with specific citations in the recall.

The only remedy GM is providing now is that you will receive a new motor and the oil specification will be 0W20. This specifically targets certain VINs and will evolve to include others as motors and parts are available.

You can see the remedy at 6:00 and motor oil spec specifically discussed in the video at 10:30.

Your vehicle cannot be bought traded or sold by any dealer until remedy is satisfied. You basically own a vehicle worth $0. Probably wouldn't prevent a private sale.

 

[AXE]

Heres the latest recall with the May date, not April.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2025/RCRIT-25V274-5347.pdf

 

[AXE]

This 0W20 oil cap transfer just makes me laugh. SORRY @Byrds8, not sure what to tell you, but you ain't getting a 0W40 oil cap!

 

[Byrds8]

Wouldnt this all depend on which recall your vehicle falls under? There are three different versions running around right now and have been for a while.. On top of that, we know GM is not about to replace 700K engines. I am still betting it's going to go the way of if your shit aint broke right now, youll get an oil change and a pat on the ass with an extended warranty. LOL Granted I could be wrong and GM could do the right thing and replace all of them, but I doubt it.

 

[AXE]

Wouldnt this all depend on which recall your vehicle falls under? There are three different versions running around right now and have been for a while.. On top of that, we know GM is not about to replace 700K engines. I am still betting it's going to go the way of if your shit aint broke right now, youll get an oil change and a pat on the ass with an extended warranty. LOL Granted I could be wrong and GM could do the right thing and replace all of them, but I doubt it.

It's got a lot of layers.

I read it as everyone is even getting a new motor as they move the VINs to open status. Oil changes don't fix damaged parts.

Also, I think they figured out they can't just buck emissions laws that governed those vehicles when they were sold.

They obviously figured out they can't survive killing families. Nobody likes dead babies!

 

[8ball_99]

My understanding is different vehicles will fall under the different recalls based on Vin. Basically some will get new engines, some will get oil and a new cap with an extended warranty assuming they don’t have a specific code already. GM isn't going to replace 700k engines. Atleast not all at once. I'm guessing that's the point of the thicker oil and extended warranty deal. Kick the can down the road kind of deal. Last I heard Toyota still has lots of that 100k engines left on their recall. It took chevy years to complete the battery recall on the bolts. 700k engine replacement would be a monumental task and would take them years.

 

[AXE]

My understanding is different vehicles will fall under the different recalls based on Vin. Basically some will get new engines, some will get oil and a new cap with an extended warranty assuming they don’t have a specific code already. GM isn't going to replace 700k engines. Atleast not all at once. I'm guessing that's the point of the thicker oil and extended warranty deal. Kick the can down the road kind of deal. Last I heard Toyota still has lots of that 100k engines left on their recall. It took chevy years to complete the battery recall on the bolts. 700k engine replacement would be a monumental task and would take them years.

I believe they will all get replaced in due time (years), since they've admitted the motors are a liability. Supposedly it wasn't supposed to be announced until June. That's why it's such an information CF right now. More VINs will be opened as the process unfolds.

GM has been screwing customers so long, they have the cash to complete the work. What your seeing now is the evolution of the economics and political games that only the big boys get to play.

The negotiations are complete with the Wall Street hedge funds, the regulators, and the UAW masters like the extra work for union members. Everyone has agreed to the deal and cash transactions to buy cooperation will be quiet and continue for some time in the future. You got good lobbyists and politicians, you have no real problems.

Remember, the next time you buy a Chevy you will be contributing to these shenanigans. GM won't absorb all the costs. What model will you blindly buy?

Toyota doesn't count cause they ain't union nor "American". This is a lot more like Takata than anything else, because people may die. Remember, when you lose power, you lose propulsion, steering and braking, then it's you and Jesus!

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[AXE]

Some more good info here in this video. The consensus from these industry experts is it's a total disaster and no way to know what engines have the bad cranks. Ultimately, some may have had a quick polish to bring them into spec before install, but they are subject to fail cause they were out of spec from production factory in Mexico. No good way to fix it and not enough oil to make it better. At 57:00 they discuss that they believe that GM will eventually fix all motors. The GM tech says he believes it could be a 10 year process.....craziness!

 

[Byrds8]

Maybe GM should just hand us all brand new trucks and be done lol.

 

[Waterdog]

I was offered $55k for my 24 on trade for a 2025 high country yesterday. I said no thanks when the sales guy tried to tell me the hc stickered for $84k. I asked why it was on CarGurus for $66,690. He said it wasn’t. It was. I’ll take my business to another dealer. Call me a liar? FO!

 

[KLA]

The latest article that I have seen, GM estimates to replace approximately 3% out of the affected 2021-2024 6.2L L87 V8s.

 

[AXE]

The latest article that I have seen, GM estimates to replace approximately 3% out of the affected 2021-2024 6.2L L87 V8s.

That's just more piss poor communication and crisis management. I'm not sure they've even released an official statement. They'll have to do that at Q2 earnings report, but they'll revise that going forward.

I think they'll have to replace them all or they'll be in lawsuits for the next 20 years.

 

[KLA]

That's just more piss poor communication and crisis management. I'm not sure they've even rehearsals an official statement. They'll have to do that at Q2c earnings report, but they'll revise that going forward.

I think they'll have to replace them all or they'll be in lawsuits for the next 20 years.

Yeah, I agree that their estimate is waaaay off. But don't think they will even come close to replacing all of the L87s. Lawsuit, or not. They will get out of it somehow.

 

[Byrds8]

I vote still for a brand new truck…. At cost lol. So we’d all get new for about 15k lol.

 

[8ball_99]

That's just more piss poor communication and crisis management. I'm not sure they've even rehearsals an official statement. They'll have to do that at Q2c earnings report, but they'll revise that going forward.

I think they'll have to replace them all or they'll be in lawsuits for the next 20 years.

Maybe, Probably cheaper to deal with the lawsuits then re-engine that many vehicles. I would be very surprised if everyone just gets a new engine. I've waited weeks for a plastic fender trim piece, lol. GM can't replace small common components in a timely fashion. The logistics of 700k complete engine swaps, yikes. It's not a oil change. They don't have the service people to handle that and keep up with normal stuff. They can't keep up with normal stuff as it is. The airbag deal was a 30 min job and a mobile tech could do it onsite. It also was for possible shrapnel in the face. I know my kid fell under it and they did it in his work parking lot. I don't think the engine cutting off is the same type of risk. I mean the Diesel HDs can lock up their tires on the highway because of the transmission valve body. That seems way worse to me then the engine just cutting off, lol. Not sure GM even has a fix for that yet. Imagine pulling a camper at 75mph and someone pulls the Ebrake on you...

 

[AXE]

Maybe, Probably cheaper to deal with the lawsuits then re-engine that many vehicles. I would be very surprised if everyone just gets a new engine. I've waited weeks for a plastic fender trim piece, lol. GM can't replace small common components in a timely fashion. The logistics of 700k complete engine swaps, yikes. It's not a oil change. They don't have the service people to handle that and keep up with normal stuff. They can't keep up with normal stuff as it is. The airbag deal was a 30 min job and a mobile tech could do it onsite. It also was for possible shrapnel in the face. I know my kid fell under it and they did it in his work parking lot. I don't think the engine cutting off is the same type of risk. I mean the Diesel HDs can lock up their tires on the highway because of the transmission valve body. That seems way worse to me then the engine just cutting off, lol. Not sure GM even has a fix for that yet. Imagine pulling a camper at 75mph and someone pulls the Ebrake on you...

We're about to find out! That's why the GM tech in the video said it would be a 10 year process. It took them 5 years to dig this hole and it'll be double that to dig out. He said it's a 20 hour job, so a tech could do two motors a week or 100 per year in ideal conditions. 700000 units/100 per tech/10 years = 700 techs per year dealing motors. You hire a couple wrenches to prep and the experienced techs do the actual swap and it's a 3 to 5 year process.

Major metropolitan areas with several dealers could set up a regional hub dedicated to motor replacements only. They could knock out hundreds a month. It's only money and effort

We build 1500 mw power plants from bare ground in two years, we could have guys doing motor swaps on their coffee breaks.

Your only limited by your imagination and how shitty your CEO is, so we definitely have a problem with Mary Bad Bearings Barra and her fucking non existent QC team still in charge. They couldn't fix this in 100 years.

 

[Byrds8]

We're about to find out! That's why the GM tech in the video said it would be a 10 year process. It took them 5 years to dig this hole and it'll be double that to dig out. He said it's a 20 hour job, so a tech could do two motors a week or 100 per year in ideal conditions. 700000 units/100 per tech/10 years = 700 techs per year dealing motors. You hire a couple wrenches to prep and the experienced techs do the actual swap and it's a 3 to 5 year process.

Major metropolitan areas with several dealers could set up a regional hub dedicated to motor replacements only. They could knock out hundreds a month. It's only money and effort

We build 1500 mw power plants from bare ground in two years, we could have guys doing motor swaps on their coffee breaks.

Your only limited by your imagination and how shitty your CEO is, so we definitely have a problem with Mary Bad Bearings Barra and her fucking non existent QC team still in charge. They couldn't fix this in 100 years.

Too bad that number of swaps would only be in a perfect world with nothing going sideways and the techs loving their jobs enough to DIRFT. There are about 8 GM dealerships within a 45min drive in either direction here. Sadly, I dont really trust any of them with a task of constant engine swaps like this. They would get lazy and sloppy after the first few and then we would all be going back with issues and all of a sudden be less of a priority.

 

[Byrds8]

Well, looks like they have now updated 0000 and the recall on mine no longer says remedy not available. Now it's hook up the pico and if it passes change the oil if not change the engine. No mention of extending the warranty 10yr/150K miles though.

 

[AXE]

Too bad that number of swaps would only be in a perfect world with nothing going sideways and the techs loving their jobs enough to DIRFT. There are about 8 GM dealerships within a 45min drive in either direction here. Sadly, I dont really trust any of them with a task of constant engine swaps like this. They would get lazy and sloppy after the first few and then we would all be going back with issues and all of a sudden be less of a priority.

None of this shit is hard. As the saying goes. All I wanna see is assholes and elbows.

You can't hire the fucking TikTok crowd or the UAW here in the US. That's what's got us here in the last decade.

That's why you hire illegals and refugees, they are desperate enough to do the dirty work to get ahead. I'd have 50k South Africans that are getting slaughtered in their country for being white on a plane to the US tomorrow. Give them a training manual and video to study up on the 16 hour plane ride. They'd be swapping motors the next day.

They seem to be doing fine here with farming, mining, and construction. These two guys straight out of South Africa were swapping out water pumps for me last year. My buddies have built houses for them to live in while they farm for them. Great people.......just like we were when we used to be a serious country.

 

[Byrds8]

None of this shit is hard. As the saying goes. All I wanna see is assholes and elbows.

You can't hire the fucking TikTok crowd or the UAW here in the US. That's what's got us here in the last decade.

That's why you hire illegals and refugees, they are desperate enough to do the dirty work to get ahead. I'd have 50k South Africans that are getting slaughtered in their country for being white on a plane to the US tomorrow. Give them a training manual and video to study up on the 16 hour plane ride. They'd be swapping motors the next day.

They seem to be doing fine here with farming, mining, and construction. These two guys straight out of South Africa were swapping out water pumps for me last year. My buddies have built houses for them to live in while they farm for them. Great people.......just like we were when we used to be a serious country.

Oh, I didnt say it was hard. But we all know fuckers these days want $50 for putting 2 screws in something on an assy line. Folks dont have pride in their work like they used to. Not say you or me or a host of others but damn there sure are a lot of entitled, dont wanna work fucks running around now a days.