Air Lift Super Duty Bags Installed

[AXE]

Maybe they will have the aluminum end caps instead of the composite. Maybe they will have a different jounce bumper with a compound that works better with the DSSV’s. Just because they look the same doesn’t mean they are. For someone that daily’s this truck there might be a noticeable advantage to the standard part number they’ve been using. Once it’s released these questions can be asked.

How much weight are you towing daily? Post up a side profile picture of your setup you're towing. I wanna see how much sag you have.

Maybe they won't be any different than the last 30 years. At best, they may make some minor changes.

 

[REDHOTZR2]

How much weight are you towing daily? Post up a side profile picture of your setup you're towing. I wanna see how much sag you have.

Maybe they won't be any different than the last 30 years. At best, they may make some minor changes.

Most days I’ve got a 8100# enclosed food trailer with about 1200# of tongue weight but that changes depending on how full or empty my propane and water tanks are. I get about 1”-1.5” of sag. I also have a 26’ flatbed trailer that I haul different things with to include my side by sides, 5-6 four wheelers or my wife’s Jeep depending on where we’re going. Most of the time I can get it pretty balanced out to where I won’t get much squat at all. That trailer is also under 10K#. Other than that I pull a toy hauler with a GVWR of about 13K# which I haven’t pulled with this truck yet but I’m expecting I won’t get a ton of sag there either due to using a WDH. Every now and then I’ll haul an equipment trailer that can get up there in weight. Here are pictures of my daily setup.

I would agree there probably won’t be any huge changes to the design and minor tidbits are what to expect but I can’t help but to be curious on what BS they’ll come up with to “make it better” for the ZR2. If I was really worried about it, I’d just go straight to the Firestone setup because I think the end cap design is better built. Overall I’m not in a huge rush because I’m running pretty solid down the road without anything right now. I’ve always run WDH’s or spent a lot of time balancing my load out but I have enough interest in trying something to see what I’m missing. If I can ditch the WDH for my toy hauler that would be great so I don’t have to spend a ton of time setting it up.

 

[8ball_99]

Can you even tow 10,000 lbs with that little gasser? You could stick a couple cantaloupe under the frame and tow max with that setup.

Haha, My Toyhauler is 11,400GVWR and the gasser handles it great. It has 1500# tongue weight. My tractor would put my 1500 completely on the bump stops. Which was why I had to figure out bags for it immediately. On the HD that same setup is NP with out bags. I don't regret the gasser at all. It's been great and since it's my daily driver it get's drove around town unloaded often. The no throttle lag and the 900lb lighter is great for that. I believe it's 16k tow rating. I'll never pull that much with it, But I bet it would do it. I seem to usually live at that 12k or less number though. Which is why I got it. Everything is always a bit much for 1/2 ton but np for a 3/4. A skid steer, mini ex or my toyhauler is about the heaviest stuff I'd ever need to pull.

I'd have a smaller Toyhauler if I could. Not cause of the truck though. Sometimes we go for a week, Often we drive a few hundred miles each way for just a weekend trip. Smaller camper is easier and fits in more places, But I have to have at least a 12' full width garage for this SxS. So a 34' is about as small as it gets. I'd never want a huge fifth wheel for what we do.

 

[AXE]

Most days I’ve got a 8100# enclosed food trailer with about 1200# of tongue weight but that changes depending on how full or empty my propane and water tanks are. I get about 1”-1.5” of sag. I also have a 26’ flatbed trailer that I haul different things with to include my side by sides, 5-6 four wheelers or my wife’s Jeep depending on where we’re going. Most of the time I can get it pretty balanced out to where I won’t get much squat at all. That trailer is also under 10K#. Other than that I pull a toy hauler with a GVWR of about 13K# which I haven’t pulled with this truck yet but I’m expecting I won’t get a ton of sag there either due to using a WDH. Every now and then I’ll haul an equipment trailer that can get up there in weight. Here are pictures of my daily setup.

I would agree there probably won’t be any huge changes to the design and minor tidbits are what to expect but I can’t help but to be curious on what BS they’ll come up with to “make it better” for the ZR2. If I was really worried about it, I’d just go straight to the Firestone setup because I think the end cap design is better built. Overall I’m not in a huge rush because I’m running pretty solid down the road without anything right now. I’ve always run WDH’s or spent a lot of time balancing my load out but I have enough interest in trying something to see what I’m missing. If I can ditch the WDH for my toy hauler that would be great so I don’t have to spend a ton of time setting it up.

If your running that variety of trailers, that's the exact reason I run bags. They work much better on the variable weights and trailer designs. I run mine at 20 psi for loads under 6k and ramp it up to 70-80 psi for loads over 12k, depending upon road and driving conditions.

You'll be surprised how much better it tows with just a little extra support from the bags. My toy hauler maxes out at 13.5k ish and I'm usually under 13k on the scales. It sags worse without my sxs loaded cause of the forward weight bias due to trailer design. The most I've towed was probably around 14-15K with a Bobcat 770 and some attachments. I would have hated towing that without bags.

With the Timbrens you won't have the adjustments and it'll be a different ride for every load.

 

[REDHOTZR2]

If your running that variety of trailers, that's the exact reason I run bags. They work much better on the variable weights and trailer designs. I run mine at 20 psi for loads under 6k and ramp it up to 70-80 psi for loads over 12k, depending upon road and driving conditions.

You'll be surprised how much better it tows with just a little extra support from the bags. My toy hauler maxes out at 13.5k ish and I'm usually under 13k on the scales. It sags worse without my sxs loaded cause of the forward weight bias due to trailer design. The most I've towed was probably around 14-15K with a Bobcat 770 and some attachments. I would have hated towing that without bags.

With the Timbrens you won't have the adjustments and it'll be a different ride for every load.

Yeah as I was typing all of that I was thinking this is the perfect scenario for bags more than anything else. The Timbrens will probably be here tomorrow so I’ll put them on and try them (might as well) but I think bags will be the better option.

 

[AXE]

The thing with lifted trucks is that the added height levers the trailer weight higher on the rear axle than a normal height truck. If you run your truck across the scales, you'll likely be suprised at the weight on the rear axle.

Here is an example from my most recent trip to the dunes. You can see that my trailer is well below max and my normal load of about 12.5k,, but the rear axle is getting close to max and only 400 lbs off. I had a few hundred pounds off gear in the bed. Truck sat very level and I was running 75 mph with 80 psi in the bags cause of some choppy pavement.

This is consistent with my 2005 and 2015 2500HD Duramax that had 6 inch lifts and similar ride height. Ran the same set of bags on those rigs.

 

[AXE]

In this case, i was towing some 2000 lb concrete blocks. You can see by the weights of the truck only vs truck and trailer, I had 1980 lbs on the rear axle, so technically overloaded with a 12,780 lb trailer running 23,640 gross. No WDH, running 80 psi with blocks right over the trailer axles.

Bottom line, run your rig across the scales, or you'll never really know what your towing.

As a note, these 16:9 phone photos always make the truck look like its sagging, but it is always pretty leveled up with bags.

 

[REDHOTZR2]

The thing with lifted trucks is that the added height levers the trailer weight higher on the rear axle than a normal height truck. If you run your truck across the scales, you'll likely be suprised at the weight on the rear axle.

Here is an example from my most recent trip to the dunes. You can see that my trailer is well below max and my normal load of about 12.5k,, but the rear axle is getting close to max and only 400 lbs off. I had a few hundred pounds off gear in the bed. Truck sat very level and I was running 75 mph with 80 psi in the bags cause of some choppy pavement.

This is consistent with my 2005 and 2015 2500HD Duramax that had 6 inch lifts and similar ride height. Ran the same set of bags on those rigs.

Oh I totally get it. I visit the scales often and I’ve been driving lifted trucks for about 30 years now. I’ve always just played around with distribution of weight instead of bags but now that I tow daily instead of a dozen or so times a year, I’m more focused on how the truck is running down the road with a trailer.